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hey guys how's it going welcome back to

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the channel it is uh thursday i hope

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everyone's having a great day wherever

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you are in the world um i've had a

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fantastic day it is 8 p.m here in the uk

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before we bring on my guest a couple of

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things i just want to say thank you to

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everybody that's here live on youtube

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and thank you to everybody on youtube

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that may watch this after the fact i

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appreciate that not everyone can be here

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as it goes out live and to everybody

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listening to this on the anomalous

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podcast network thank you so much for

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listening i really appreciate all the

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support um for anybody that wants to

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and pop them in capital letters

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um one final thing um the documentary

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series that myself and dan and ash

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recently filmed in colombia the trailer

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is going to be released tomorrow at 2

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p.m gmt

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um you'll have to work that out wherever

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you are else in the world i'm sorry but

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look out for it on my instagram on my

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twitter and everywhere else

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i cannot wait to share this with you

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guys

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but that is all

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irrelevant right now i would like to

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bring on our guest i'm a big fan of this

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show and of this gentleman as well so

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please welcome mr thomas winterton

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thomas how are you i'm great how are you

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i'm really good thank you so much for

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doing this it really means a lot

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i'm excited to visit with you especially

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when i found out that you're uh across

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the pond

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yep yep it spreads everywhere man the

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ranch uh is global

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so uh yeah really exciting stuff that's

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crazy um

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[Laughter]

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have you done much

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global interviews and things like that

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so i did a uh

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a podcast with a gentleman in scotland i

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believe oh no

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excuse me i'm just getting over a

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head cold and some pneumonia so if i

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have to clear my throat i apologize but

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um

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uh i did one over there with him and

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then i did a interview in poland which

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was an interesting experience because it

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wasn't a live interview what we did was

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uh like they submitted the questions we

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had to translate then i submit

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translation we had to make sure and and

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i don't i don't read polish so hopefully

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it came across the way that it was

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supposed to but other than that

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everything else has been stateside

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awesome

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i'm glad that we can

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share this with with people over this

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side of the pond

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um i guess to start off i'd just like to

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ask a simple question which is have you

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been on the ranch today

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actually will be on the ranch later

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today i was on the ranch yesterday until

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uh well i was there until yesterday

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evening so

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excellent excellent and

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i know that from some of the the things

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we've seen on the show and stuff there

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are kind of quiet periods on the ranch

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and then there are times when things

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kind of ramp up a little bit so

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if you were to say at the moment what's

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happening on the ranch is it a quiet

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period or is there still sort of strange

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occurrences happening

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actually i would say that the last

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little while um

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has been active

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but i i see that you know the thing

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about the ranch i tell people

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nine out of ten days you go on you know

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you roll on the ranch nine out of ten

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times it's it's calm it's peaceful

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you know the gate shuts behind you i

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feel like i'm kind of locked away in my

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own world

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i don't get good cells phone reception

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out there at all so for the most part

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when i enter the ranch it's like

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entering this whole private little realm

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and uh and i love it and then there's

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that one out of ten

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where you roll on and there's been times

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where just roll up to the gate and and

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whether it's the hair raising up you

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know on your body or just

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you i've learned

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it's like being married you know you're

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married long enough you can start to

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tell the moods without having to ask the

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questions you roll up the gate and it's

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like ah man

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she's not in a good mood today i i don't

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know if i should be going on and uh and

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they'll be once in a while you roll up

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and it's like no it's not happening

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today and i'll turn around and leave

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wow so it can really go from just being

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in a beautiful place an everyday kind of

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pleasant experience to something that

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really just

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is the opposite that's that's so

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fascinating

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yeah and you know i can't count the

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number of times where i've been there

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working

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everything's great and then

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it's like something shifts something

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changes

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and and really rapidly you you know i

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just i've learned to listen because when

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you don't listen that's when it seems

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problems happen

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especially if i'm out there

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you know working on something by myself

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and i don't have somebody close by

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that can uh can help me out we've seen

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people go in catatonic states we've seen

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people

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have some pretty severe physical

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reactions and so uh

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i i've

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i've learned i'm not gonna tempt fate so

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if i start feeling that way i usually

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heed the warning signs now if i'm with

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somebody you know if we've got the group

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of us and we're doing something that's

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different because we've got a lot of

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instrumentation that's when we really

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want to dig in and see if we can try to

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you know capture the fingerprint of

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something that's going on but if it's if

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it's just me working out there during

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the day you know on something i i'll

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i'll usually heat those warnings and get

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off but it can happen rapidly

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yeah absolutely and i mean i think for

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anyone familiar with the show knows that

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you've had some pretty serious injuries

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in the past so to hear that you like

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work you are working on your own in some

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instances do you have um

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you know

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how would you go about contacting

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someone you mentioned you have bad cell

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service and stuff like

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are there still risks involved with

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being on your own on the ranch

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well and i need to i need to qualify

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that statement

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with all of our monitoring and

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everything

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uh so whenever i'm on the ranch

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uh one security knows

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and then we've got our scientists uh

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eric bart and i let him know right and

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he

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keeping tabs on me and making sure that

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if i'm out irrigating

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um

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we we generally don't let people go out

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by themselves it's not a good idea but

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frankly at the end of the day there's

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just some tasks that have to get done

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and and if i had to wait all right we

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only get water

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you know we to irrigate the land to

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water the land

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we don't get to choose those times that

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we get the water we they just tell us

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this is your turn and you can either

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take the water you can let it run down

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the ditch and here in utah second dry

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estate in the united states every drop

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of water is precious so that means that

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i'm out there on the ranch at

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usual a good portion of our turn to take

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the water happens at night and so if i'm

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if i'm sitting there trying to

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coordinate with other team members it

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just becomes impractical so

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i've kind of there are times that i just

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i go do my own thing but i'm always

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careful like i check in with eric right

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and and security knows that i'm out

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there and then we've got our caretakers

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that are there most of the time and so

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uh help's never far away

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but if something bad's happening

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sometimes ten minutes can be the

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difference between something really bad

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and and

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and uh

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we've had individuals going to catatonic

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state in which case i would be at the

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total mercy of

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eric checking in or you know dragon or

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caleb checking in and saying okay where

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is he at is he okay

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there's look i know when i go on that

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ranch there's risks involved it's

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something that i've accepted and uh

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you have to look at the risk rewards and

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say the opportunity to be part of this

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team the opportunity to be involved in

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this investigation carries risks and

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and uh

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i i either accept him or i find

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something else to do

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no that's fair enough and i suppose

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you've been working together as a team

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for a few years now so i suppose you

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form that bond that cohesion where you

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naturally look out for one another and

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you're kind of almost hyper aware of

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what everyone's doing am i right in

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saying that

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absolutely yeah we we have a very we we

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call it ranch family uh we

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you know we're very close and you do get

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a sense

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uh i mean we've been together now going

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on what six years

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and you get a sense of the movement and

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just over time we've we've developed uh

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policies and procedures and just habits

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that we follow so we keep a close eye on

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each other and that is part of it that

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helps mitigate the risk because i know

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those guys got my back

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excellent

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and and

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you know you've got your core team and

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obviously brandon we see in the tv

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series is he seems to play an active

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role but is that the same in reality is

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he constantly in touch with you guys or

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visiting the ranch on a regular basis

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absolutely

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brandon's very hands-on

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the thing i love about brandon is he

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excuse me

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uh you know he's very successful he's

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very busy uh

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businessman and the the great thing

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about brandon is he he assigns everybody

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their roles and then he just trusts you

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that you're gonna take care of that and

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he doesn't micromanage

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uh but we all are you know we all check

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in with him on a regular basis um eric's

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in touch with him on a daily basis so

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he's very hands-on anytime something

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happens

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there's not

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i don't think that there's much that

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happens on that ranch that brandon is

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not aware of

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excellent excellent now if you don't

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mind i'd like to go into a few sort of

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more technical questions about things

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that we have seen

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through the tv show and maybe things

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that we've heard on social media

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and it's kind of to do with different um

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experiments i suppose that you've done

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on the ranch that have kind of for me

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personally i've just wanted to ask more

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questions about them um now one thing

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that i mean i'm a ufo uap guy and yes

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i'm interested in the kind of paranormal

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aspect as well but with regards to the

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um uap side of the investigations one

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thing you have done is utilize weather

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balloons but you've not had a lot of

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luck with them because you know

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sometimes they seem to have popped or

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not

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gone up to where you want them to do you

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put that down to bad luck or do you

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genuinely genuinely believe that the

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there is something affecting them

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well let me ask you

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how many times do you

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how many failures do you finally switch

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from bad luck to something's going on

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what's that number

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man that's a

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i'm on the spot now that's a great

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question

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i guess i don't really have an answer

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because i've not physically done it but

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then

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now i guess i'll rephrase the question

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have you got past that period yourself

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where it becomes

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a bit too convenient that it's just luck

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so

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uh i came on the ranch as a as a very

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healthy skeptic

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right

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my brain is wired more for skeptic

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although i will say the ranch is a

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fantastic job of helping me rewire some

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of that

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and at the beginning you know oh it's a

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coincidence

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or bad luck

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right oh yeah you know and and then two

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happens and then three happens

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and then four and you're like man this

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is this is a huge coincidence that all

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these things are taking place

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and then at some point it

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you start looking stupid is what happens

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and and we talk about this at the ranch

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a lot like

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sometimes trying to reach for the

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explain the mundane right

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for example

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we'll talk you a piece for a second you

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see a uap this guy you're like oh it's

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just a plane

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and then it it moves sideways and you're

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like oh well it's a helicopter then it

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drops down you're like oh well that's a

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drone and then all of a sudden it

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appears from here to there so fast

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you're like

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we're not aware of any drone

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that can move that fast

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at some point you run out of things that

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can logically explain what you're

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witnessing and you actually become

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you actually look more foolish trying to

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fit it into the known than you would if

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you just said

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you know

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okay that's a uap right

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um

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we we launched that weather blue in

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season one and what you have to do is

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just

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uh eric's been really good for our team

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and the fact that

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um i'm getting less and less to say oh

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it's got to be this or got to be that

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it's here's the facts you tell me what

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you think

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um because

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i'm tired of looking like a fool if i'm

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trying to put it in a box that it

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doesn't belong in that that weather

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balloon was instrumented out with two

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separate gps tracking devices

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and we had um

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matt come out he's he's an acquaintance

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of travis taylors

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and he's launched

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uh hundreds of weather balloons so he's

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very very experienced in this it's why

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we bring experts out is if we mess it up

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and it's our first one

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it probably user error

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we we're trying to eliminate as many of

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the possibilities as we can so we bring

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this expert on who has launched hundreds

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of weather balloons with this same type

402
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of equipment package and interestingly

403
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enough this is this was part of the

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fascination for me

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was

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that specific launch that we lost the

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balloon

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uh

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we're running into the later part of the

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day and the winds are picking up and

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while we were sitting there trying to

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get this thing ready the winds were

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blowing i mean it was a pretty stiff

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breeze and as we were sitting to prepare

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and i was joking with guys we were all

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joking we're like this thing's going to

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be colorado before it even gets to that

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bookmark because the wind was blowing

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from the west towards the east

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and uh

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and just to give reference

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i don't know we are several hundred feet

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to the south

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of the triangle there and just a little

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bit east right

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so just a just a tad to the east and to

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the south of the triangle and we've got

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winds that are blowing straight out east

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and we had smaller balloons just your

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regular birthday balloons that we would

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fill up and we'd release them so we

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could get an idea of what the winds

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aloft were were doing

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right so

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before we'd launched the big one we'd

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let these little ones go and we'd see

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what was happening with it so we could

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have an expectation of what to expect

439
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well these these little ones are

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launching and they're just taking off

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towards the east

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and so

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you know but that's part of the that's

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the part that's one of the issues with

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filming is

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uh

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to try to come back tomorrow and do it

448
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it may not even work maybe tomorrow's

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raining or we've got something else

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scheduled for the next day so it's now

451
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or never

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so we let this balloon go

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and sure enough it takes off to the east

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but as it's quickly rising and all of a

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sudden it's like it

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almost makes a u-turn as it gets up

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into the winds aloft and then it gets it

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goes right up through the center of that

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triangle i mean so it kind of

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backtracked to the west a little bit and

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went north

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which wasn't at all what the little

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balloons were doing right and now look

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the winds can shift i'm not saying they

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can't

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but we let this balloon go and it goes

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right dead center where it was that we

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wanted it to go and so we're now

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tracking it on our electronic devices

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we've got these gps that are

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and i

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i can't remember if i i don't remember

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what the um response rate was if it was

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once a second or once every minute it

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almost seems like every 60 seconds it

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was transmitting

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sure

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and matt's

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never had a problem with these matter of

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fact he was telling us about one that

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that hit the ground and got ran over and

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the thing still worked he's like these

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things are almost indestructible we're

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talking about the gps units right yeah

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well it's reporting fine it's reporting

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fine we're getting good data data and

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right when it gets up to the 5000 foot

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mark where we triangulated that this

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energy energy's coming from

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it quits transmitting

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and uh

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it it it never transmits another

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now that's the hardened one

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uh the the second one continue to

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transmit for just a couple just a little

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bit longer and then it went out and and

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to this day

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uh we never found that balloon we had

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we went out search for it for a while

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and then there was a couple members of

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our production crew that searched i

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think for up to two weeks looking for

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that weather balloon and we and they

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when i say searched i mean

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we they were putting drones up we were

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we were using some

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you know we were using drones to see if

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we could spot it on the ground where it

509
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crashed we had done some triangulations

510
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and tried to figure out

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possible locations where it could be and

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try to narrow it down and and they

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searched all the way over to the

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colorado even into colorado a little bit

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looking wow so we they searched a huge

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swath of ground and uh we never found it

517
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that's so strange yeah so bizarre and we

518
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know that like you said there is

519
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anomalies when it kind of hits that

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altitude around 5000 feet but

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also when you talk about the triangle

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area we know that there seems to be

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anomalies under the ground um

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so let's stick with equipment going

525
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wrong shall i say um let's talk about

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the cell phones because we've seen in

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the show caleb's phone for example

528
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really

529
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almost doesn't seem possible because

530
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it's breaking through his passcodes and

531
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,919
stuff like that but are there other

532
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examples that we may not have seen in

533
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the tv show of equipment

534
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going wrong without any kind of logical

535
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explanation

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all the time

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our electronics malfunctioning is

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probably one of the most common

539
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:38,960
occurrences most common anomalies that

540
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:41,600
we witness on the ranch

541
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we seem to witness a lot of

542
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electromagnetic interference with the

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inks whether it's drones that are

544
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:51,200
malfunctioning falling out of the sky

545
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thinking they're places that they're

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00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,280
they're not uh whether it's our cell

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00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:57,919
phones my cell phone is personally uh

548
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:03,510
i could give you one example i was up on

549
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,440
top of the mesa working on a set of

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cameras one day this was this is a

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couple years ago

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um

553
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,919
and uh

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had a

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00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,840
another individual there that was uh

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just out kind of looking through the

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rocks below me

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00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,520
you know we're always looking for signs

559
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,120
and stuff

560
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:25,840
and this is later in the afternoon

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and

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uh this individual had a head lamp a

563
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,720
flashlight headlamp and it had gone dead

564
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,559
and so rather than packing the bag and

565
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,960
everything up the up the hill just left

566
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,960
it at the bottom of the hill well i'm up

567
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,400
there and i'm trying to troubleshoot

568
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,000
these cameras that are having issues

569
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:44,880
with eric and i'm up on a ladder

570
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,360
and and i've got my cell phone up there

571
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:48,960
i'm leaning against ladder and i'm up

572
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:51,760
there and our ranch dog our black

573
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,799
labrador ranch uh dog william

574
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:56,720
he's up there at the base of my ladder

575
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,120
right and so i'm up on this extension

576
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,520
ladder and i'm texting back and forth

577
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,720
with eric

578
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:04,000
and he's

579
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:05,760
we're trying to troubleshoot between

580
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:06,640
he's

581
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,400
he at this point he was actually running

582
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:13,039
things that particular day he was in his

583
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,080
uh

584
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,559
home office out on the wasatch front and

585
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:17,760
so

586
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:22,000
with him and he's telling me try this

587
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:23,120
try that

588
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:24,400
and i'm up there trying to do this and

589
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:25,679
all of a sudden the dog starts

590
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:26,799
whimpering

591
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,520
william is like he's so mild-mannered

592
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,480
and it's so out of character for him and

593
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:34,000
he's and i look down at him i'm like

594
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,360
what's wrong william

595
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,880
and he starts just

596
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:38,559
really really whimpering i'm like what

597
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,600
the heck

598
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,600
well at that same time

599
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,520
i lose control of my phone and what i

600
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,600
mean by that is i had my message app

601
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:47,039
because i was sitting there messaging

602
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,320
eric

603
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:50,480
the messaging app closes and it starts

604
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,919
opening up other apps and it's doing it

605
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:55,679
it's doing it you know it's opening it

606
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,400
up

607
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,400
and i go to close and click it and it'll

608
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,720
do something else and i lost all control

609
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,880
of the phone and so i kept opening up

610
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:05,039
the message app i get into eric and it

611
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,320
would close it

612
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,480
and i'm like what the heck

613
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,480
so i finally i'm like i can't

614
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,480
communicate with eric the dog's down

615
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,919
there whimpering

616
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,400
and i'm thinking okay this isn't working

617
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,880
so i climbed down the ladder

618
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:20,400
and i yelled down to the other person

619
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,760
i'm like hey when you go down command

620
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,159
center i can't communicate with eric

621
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,880
i need to go in there and call him

622
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,080
and uh

623
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:29,760
walk down to the bottom of the hill well

624
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,039
here's this bag just glowing it's like

625
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,240
it's pulsating like what the heck what's

626
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,080
what's going on with that bag open it up

627
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:41,200
well there's that led headlamp

628
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,480
which is was dead yeah and the light is

629
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,640
so bright i mean it's it's it's

630
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,320
pulsating brighter than if you put a

631
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,840
fresh battery in there right i mean this

632
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,039
thing's just and it's sitting there

633
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,880
pulsating like

634
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,880
i'm like what the heck

635
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:55,919
and so

636
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,799
that's an incident of a time when my

637
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,200
cell phone started misbehaving the dog

638
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,440
started whining and then we've got this

639
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,080
dead battery led headlamp that just goes

640
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,480
from dead to suddenly

641
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,280
pulsing very very bright

642
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,039
though that that's a good example of

643
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:15,200
electronics everything from i've pulled

644
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:16,480
up to the gate

645
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,830
i was taking my family to dinner over to

646
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,799
vernal

647
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,120
and i had i think i'd left my wallet in

648
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,559
the command center

649
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,240
and so i was like oh just stop real

650
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,480
quick i gotta grab my wallet we pull up

651
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,480
to the gate i got my wife and kids in

652
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,840
the car with me

653
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:35,440
and as a rule

654
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,400
my kids

655
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,520
aren't allowed out there right right we

656
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,360
just we don't let people go out there

657
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,360
but i'm like i just got to grab my

658
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,039
wallet it's going to be a quick one and

659
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,640
one minute in and out

660
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,039
pull up to the gate i'm in my we have a

661
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,720
2002 or i mean a 2012 yukon denali

662
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,400
and

663
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,320
i'm waiting for the i punch the button

664
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,919
i'm waiting for the gate to open and

665
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,240
while i'm waiting the radio turns itself

666
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:01,600
on

667
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,400
singing

668
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,039
and the exact lyrics is as i pulled up

669
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:11,360
to the gate in my gmc

670
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:15,360
and my kids are like no way dad and

671
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,400
and i'm like oh you got to be kidding me

672
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,000
and so

673
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,760
i mean everybody saw nobody touched the

674
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,000
radio we didn't turn it on

675
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,919
i run and grab my wallet and we spent

676
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,600
the rest of the night my kids are like

677
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,760
doing lyric searches trying to find a

678
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,080
song that matches those we never found

679
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:34,080
it if anybody else out there your

680
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,279
listeners

681
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,279
knows of a country song with a lady

682
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,520
singing i pulled up to the gate in my

683
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,760
gmc i would love to know what song that

684
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,240
is but wow strange stuff like that

685
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,799
happens constantly

686
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,799
so like for example when things do

687
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,799
malfunction like that do you then

688
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,400
go back to the command center and look

689
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,720
for energy spikes or or any kind of

690
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,480
activity that may have been captured on

691
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:58,559
the on the equipment you have in the con

692
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,720
control center everything

693
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,720
to the best of our ability we try to

694
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,279
report everything to eric

695
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,919
uh regardless of how inconsequential it

696
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,600
may seem to us

697
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,760
you know i'm not the scientist there

698
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,600
it's not up to me to determine what's

699
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,080
important what's not important anytime

700
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:20,240
anything out of the ordinary appears to

701
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:21,200
happen

702
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,480
uh we

703
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:24,799
we're all instructed to let eric know

704
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:28,640
eric is meticulous and very detailed um

705
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,640
he'll collect the data and then um

706
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,880
you know maybe maybe it helps out maybe

707
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,679
it doesn't but it also allows him

708
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,039
and and now

709
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,880
i have to say you know we were all

710
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:43,200
skeptical when we started this and this

711
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,400
has been a

712
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,480
it's been a journey for all of us we're

713
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,320
not professional paranormal

714
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:50,720
investigators we i didn't go to college

715
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,520
for that neither did anybody else right

716
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,120
and so

717
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,679
there's been a learning curve here

718
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,559
of oh something's happening i need to

719
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,039
have presence of mind to get a timestamp

720
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,559
right that's

721
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,440
so critical but and it sounds simple and

722
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:08,880
yet

723
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,400
i have to admit like i'm well into the

724
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,039
well into my time at the ranch before i

725
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,799
finally have gotten to the point where

726
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,200
something happens i'm like timestamp

727
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,520
you know and sometimes it requires notes

728
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,679
so that i can tell eric go back and look

729
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,240
at the equipment did we see

730
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,880
an rf spike did we see gamma rays did we

731
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,720
see something on the cameras

732
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,880
and so yeah you're right like we always

733
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,720
report that and then eric that gives

734
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,559
eric the ability to go back and say did

735
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,240
we see anything happening across the

736
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,760
ranch did

737
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,000
was there an rf spike can we explain

738
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,880
this phone going crazy with maybe a high

739
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,679
spike the problem with the rf though

740
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,360
i mean we've we've got tri-filled meters

741
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,120
that do the rf but when we're talking

742
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,360
about spectrum analyzers

743
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,880
the spectrum is so massive

744
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,320
that

745
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,960
to to try to watch the entire spectrum

746
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:02,720
is yes

747
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,640
the data that it requires it's it's it's

748
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,080
it's like looking for a needle in a

749
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:10,000
haystack is what it's like

750
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,200
yeah sure

751
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,039
i just want to take a second to thank mr

752
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,799
gary voorhees junior thank you for the

753
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,360
20 gary gary says i will forever be

754
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:19,520
grateful to thomas and dragon for saving

755
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,399
jason

756
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,520
now

757
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,320
it's no secret that the guys at uapx

758
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,480
have visited the ranch in the past year

759
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,039
whether you can talk that much about it

760
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,799
maybe maybe not but can you talk about

761
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,320
what it was like meeting those guys and

762
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,399
working with them in the general

763
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,399
on general terms

764
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,279
well i could just say being

765
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,279
be in my position i can neither confirm

766
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,679
nor deny

767
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,520
their visit but i can't confirm i have

768
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,200
met them and i'll tell you

769
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,880
uh

770
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,360
i very impressed i mean we're talking

771
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,760
about no-nonsense individuals

772
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:58,310
look i i like getting around people that

773
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:02,240
i feel are grounded that aren't seeing

774
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,520
i don't like it when i get around people

775
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,960
i feel preconceived agendas like sure

776
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,640
if you have an agenda to prove it's true

777
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,039
or an agenda prove it's not true

778
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,200
uh i'm a skeptical of both ends of the

779
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,039
spectrum right

780
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,240
i like people that are grounded and that

781
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,159
just says you know we'll go wherever the

782
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,159
data takes us and and in meeting those

783
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:24,159
individuals that's really the way i felt

784
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:25,120
was

785
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,960
like-minded individuals it's like we're

786
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,480
just going to follow the data

787
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,000
and uh

788
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,799
you know see where it takes us and

789
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:36,720
to meet them to hear of their own

790
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,880
personal experiences uh i i'm a big fan

791
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:42,559
i'll i'll say that

792
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,760
that's great to hear and then we

793
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,600
obviously they've got some great work

794
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,440
due to drop soon i think so i think

795
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,960
everybody's looking forward to that so

796
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,120
gary thank you so much brother i really

797
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,840
appreciate it um moving on to one thing

798
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,840
that really really stood out to me and i

799
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,799
think this was in season two was the the

800
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,640
time when the rabbi was brought out to

801
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,279
perform the the ancient ritual um just

802
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,679
out away from homestead 2.

803
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,279
and what we saw on the show was

804
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,399
obviously

805
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,600
this

806
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,600
thing forming uh you know i think it was

807
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,520
above a doorway that i guess i'm just

808
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:16,080
gonna say it looks looked like a portal

809
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,440
which we know has been reported on the

810
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,520
ranch before temperature drops

811
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,799
drastically

812
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,720
i mean

813
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,799
i have so many questions i i can't

814
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,559
pinpoint one but what

815
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,240
was it was anything ever

816
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,320
did that investigation go on for a lot

817
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,320
longer than we saw were there any

818
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,559
conclusions formed like where are you

819
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,000
with that kind of

820
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:38,399
strange activity

821
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,510
it seems for every

822
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,640
one answer we get we create a hundred

823
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:50,399
more questions

824
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,830
you know i so to answer your question

825
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:57,279
yes

826
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,399
that exercise has caught our attention

827
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,360
um

828
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,000
a lot and

829
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,840
again what we've been dealing with out

830
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,000
there a lot is electromagnetic

831
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,159
interference

832
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,200
frequency right and so

833
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,080
when rabbi ariel is talking about how

834
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:19,200
his culture the jewish culture has tonal

835
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,640
technologies that can open portals

836
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,640
it gets our attention

837
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,919
and uh

838
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,600
and again like

839
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,200
i'm sorry but

840
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:31,840
i'm skeptical when we go out there you

841
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,880
know you hear him start doing his chant

842
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,200
and we're all sitting there watching

843
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,120
and uh yeah

844
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,600
you gotta realize

845
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,399
what what you're seeing on tv

846
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,919
you know we film

847
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,279
for months

848
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,039
yeah and

849
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:50,960
and it's taken down let's see that was

850
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,080
season two so we had ten episodes okay

851
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,760
and and i want the listeners to

852
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,600
understand

853
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,080
so we we film for months and when i say

854
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,760
we film i mean

855
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,039
we're filming

856
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,519
minimum five days a week

857
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,360
and we're on that ranch

858
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,760
there's been times where we film like 16

859
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,480
hours through like our filming days are

860
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,440
long

861
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,880
and when we're not filming we're getting

862
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:17,039
ready for the next experiment there

863
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,640
there are so many

864
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,640
there were so many times

865
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,640
during filming

866
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:25,200
uh during our filming interval

867
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,000
where

868
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,120
we would put in long long hours filming

869
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,720
we would finish

870
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,880
then our teams get tired but we've got

871
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,279
an experiment planned you know we're

872
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,440
bringing so and so in from across the

873
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,120
united states

874
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,600
and they're going to be here 8 a.m and

875
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:43,200
we need to be ready to execute this

876
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,399
experiment

877
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,120
yeah and so what happens we get done

878
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,440
filming and then we literally will spend

879
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,279
the rest of the night preparing for the

880
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,880
experiment

881
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,720
right and um

882
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,399
and then like it's like oh the sun's

883
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,919
back up i need to run home and shower

884
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:59,600
and get ready so we could start filming

885
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,559
again

886
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,000
and so

887
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,080
the the whole point of this is

888
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,039
is we're talking about months of

889
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:09,279
experiments and and

890
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:10,559
and uh

891
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,600
film

892
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,600
and then we have to condense it down to

893
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:15,039
10

894
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,720
episodes and i ca i don't know what the

895
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,440
exact minute count is somewhere 43 or 47

896
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,600
minutes somebody can yeah somebody can

897
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,039
check that next time when they're

898
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,120
they're looking but

899
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,039
430 minutes

900
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,880
and when you look at the amount of time

901
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,200
and the amount of film that we did

902
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,679
we're talking about one percent so what

903
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,440
you're seeing on tv

904
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,039
is like the exciting parts the

905
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,440
highlights the the the parts that are

906
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,440
gonna captivate the audience what you

907
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,840
don't see is the hours and hours of prep

908
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,360
leading up to it

909
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,440
and sometimes during the experiment the

910
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,519
hours that we did during it in case of

911
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,399
point that the rabbi yeah we we spent a

912
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,240
lot of time there right

913
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:56,399
um and then of course

914
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:57,360
the

915
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,960
spends months after we finish filming i

916
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,880
mean months

917
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,880
and and travis too you know but

918
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:09,039
mainly eric analyzing and sifting

919
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,120
through the mountains of data and so uh

920
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,720
as far as a rabbi

921
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,039
we repeated that twice

922
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,600
the first time we did it

923
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,000
we was live with the rabbi

924
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,799
yeah and it was a warmer night

925
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,600
and what ended up happening is we saw

926
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,279
this this

927
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,360
vortex of cold air

928
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,919
that just kind of like

929
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,760
i mean it's not like it floated in and

930
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,760
floated out

931
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,519
we're watching this thermographic camera

932
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:41,039
and the flare and all of a sudden you

933
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,159
just start seeing this start

934
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,760
materializing

935
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:45,840
and it creates this big black hole well

936
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,640
the black hole we ran down there and i

937
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:50,880
tell you as an individual running into

938
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,399
that i grew up my family

939
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,559
my family has a grocery business

940
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:58,320
and i grew up walking into the deep

941
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,279
freeze

942
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,720
from

943
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,640
i know what that's like going straight

944
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:05,200
into the 10 below zero

945
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,480
this was different

946
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,040
this cold like goes through you

947
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,440
it's it's like humid cold it penetrated

948
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,800
and it was like

949
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,280
it was bone chilling and it was so it

950
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:17,040
was just like a wall

951
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,480
um

952
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,839
obviously we couldn't see anything with

953
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:21,119
our naked eye

954
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,480
all this is being picked up on the

955
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,320
camera but you know i stopped and

956
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,079
thought about i'm like we hear about

957
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,359
portals

958
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,720
but i don't even know what a portal

959
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,800
looks like

960
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,119
would i know a portal if i saw one and

961
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:35,520
so you see the thermographic camera you

962
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,960
see this this black vortex well then we

963
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:40,320
repeated it

964
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,800
and

965
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,359
that the second time we did it it was

966
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:49,679
cooler outside like i believe the

967
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,639
thermometer was 43 or 47 degrees so it's

968
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,919
cold

969
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,839
and the opposite thing happened we had a

970
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,400
vortex of warm air that materialized

971
00:35:01,109 --> 00:35:00,320
same spot right

972
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,119
so

973
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,280
part of the scientific method or yeah

974
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,720
the scientific method is being able to

975
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,000
repeat your

976
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,400
results so

977
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,560
uh without going in and giving away

978
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:13,040
anything else just know like any time

979
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,839
that we can produce a

980
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,359
repeatable back now twice is not enough

981
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,119
to say it could have been a coincidence

982
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,680
right yeah and and then the other thing

983
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,119
that happens is that means we need to

984
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,040
create a baseline

985
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,280
do would we see that normally if nothing

986
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,920
if we didn't play a chant is it does it

987
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:32,160
happen to be something about that

988
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,000
particular geographic location or or the

989
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:37,760
trees or you know something in the

990
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,400
physical makeup so what it does is it

991
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,720
creates a lot of work groundwork for us

992
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,480
we gotta go get a really good solid

993
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,320
baseline what how does it behave

994
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,440
normally

995
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,359
and and then repeat the experiment more

996
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,599
because again twice could be a

997
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,760
coincidence maybe

998
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:56,000
but it is it is fascinating that we did

999
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,280
it twice

1000
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,119
and we got the inverse reaction but it

1001
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,839
was the same basic thing

1002
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,440
excellent excellent thank you for that

1003
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,359
and i just want to reiterate for

1004
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,359
everybody watching this live if you do

1005
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,200
have questions please pop them in

1006
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:11,040
capital letters because i'm switching

1007
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,839
between talking with thomas checking my

1008
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,920
notes and checking the live chat it's

1009
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,359
quite difficult to catch every question

1010
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,599
but capital letters will give you the

1011
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,200
best chance to get them and i will note

1012
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:22,800
them and ask them towards the end of the

1013
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,599
interview so thank you um

1014
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,000
thomas another thing um you used alpacas

1015
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,280
at one at one point to to bring in now i

1016
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,200
don't know whether that was

1017
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:34,800
or what the reason was but one thing

1018
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,240
that was uh shown in the series was that

1019
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,880
there was a time where you discovered

1020
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,240
they'd been attacked and there were bite

1021
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,480
marks did anything ever get

1022
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,240
you know did that get sorted did you

1023
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:48,560
find out what had done the the bites was

1024
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:49,280
it

1025
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,960
anomalous

1026
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,230
i'm going to have to be very politically

1027
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,630
here's the thing we always want to be

1028
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,280
completely transparent and that was

1029
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,119
uh i

1030
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,960
i love the professionals that we work

1031
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,200
with with the production team the entire

1032
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,359
group from the top down you know at

1033
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,520
first it was kevin burns and then

1034
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:20,480
you know kevin passed away and and now

1035
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:24,160
we um we have joe lassard and his and

1036
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,040
kim

1037
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,720
they're all professionals from the top

1038
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,960
down and i have nothing but admiration

1039
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:29,920
and

1040
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,800
i mean this group of people is

1041
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,720
we couldn't ask for any better right

1042
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,040
sure and one of the agreements when we

1043
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,040
went into this was that we were never to

1044
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,160
fabricate we brandon was crystal clear

1045
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,680
like if you're going to come in and

1046
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:45,440
document our investigation then you're

1047
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,480
going to document it we're not

1048
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,920
fabricating anything we're not going to

1049
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,520
embellish anything

1050
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:50,720
you know

1051
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,000
uh are we willing to re uh reenact

1052
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,640
something that maybe wasn't a camera

1053
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,160
as long as it's

1054
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:01,359
what really happened right we're not

1055
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,280
gonna recreate and embellish

1056
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,720
our scientists

1057
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,720
eric and travis are like we got too much

1058
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:10,400
on the line credibility wise to be

1059
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,680
fabricating

1060
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,119
that being said

1061
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,599
uh you also have to allow a little bit

1062
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:17,440
of uh

1063
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,640
if you were to watch just the pure

1064
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,640
science on tv our ratings would probably

1065
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,040
be you know the 100 people out there in

1066
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,800
the world that that did that kind of

1067
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,880
thing but your average person coming

1068
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:28,240
home from work that just wants to turn

1069
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,920
the tv on and be entertained is not

1070
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,200
going to like that

1071
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,440
so there has to be a give and take you

1072
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,920
know they add in their music

1073
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,839
uh sometimes we laugh because you get

1074
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,920
the looks you know like oh yeah and

1075
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,240
you're like wait a second here right we

1076
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,240
gotta we gotta add the drama in the

1077
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,720
alpaca episode is one

1078
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,920
um

1079
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,599
and and it's been a learning experience

1080
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,040
for all of us but that's one where we

1081
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,280
got a little bit upset

1082
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,440
did they lie no

1083
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,720
they didn't

1084
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,040
because you can look you can edit me to

1085
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,160
make me look say and do almost anything

1086
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:04,079
they have a camera on me 16 hours of the

1087
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,960
day

1088
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,920
yeah

1089
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,079
they have enough probably to sink me

1090
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,320
forever

1091
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,320
right

1092
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,320
so with the alpacas

1093
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:16,079
here here's the facts that we have at

1094
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,040
the alpacas did the camera

1095
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,440
facing that direction work no it didn't

1096
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,680
do we know why no we don't

1097
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,839
is that strange yes it is

1098
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:27,839
was that the only camera on skinwalker

1099
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,960
ranch during that no it wasn't

1100
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,920
uh

1101
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,160
so were we able to get other camera

1102
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,880
angles not of the corel per se right

1103
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,680
right

1104
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,599
but do we have other angles of coming

1105
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,119
and going off the ranch that maybe

1106
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,960
allowed us to see what that was yes we

1107
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,839
did

1108
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:45,599
and

1109
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,280
it was played off as if we weren't sure

1110
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,040
what it was and yet

1111
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,000
you know it was a pack of of uh tribal

1112
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:56,240
dogs

1113
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,440
right

1114
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:59,359
that attack the alpacas

1115
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,240
now

1116
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,160
there's nothing strange about tribal

1117
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,119
dogs attacking alpacas except for

1118
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,880
and this is this is where we're telling

1119
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,200
them like guys in the future like let's

1120
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,520
frame this a little bit different and

1121
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,200
rather than the way it was framed which

1122
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,200
we i have to say our team was a little

1123
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,680
upset about the way that that once and

1124
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,599
it and i'll tell you it's only been that

1125
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,680
one episode we've been fine with pretty

1126
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,119
much everything else

1127
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,040
that one episode

1128
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,920
here's the things is we've had animals

1129
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,280
up to that point we've had animals on

1130
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,119
that ranch for a couple of years and

1131
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,800
nothing's touched them

1132
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:35,040
we had calves there

1133
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,000
you know

1134
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,920
we've had other animals on the ranch and

1135
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,839
those dogs have i see those dogs every

1136
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,160
day when i come in and out they've

1137
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:44,000
they've stayed put they haven't attacked

1138
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,359
anything

1139
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,599
we bring alpacas on and literally we

1140
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,720
have them in the corral right by the

1141
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:50,000
command center

1142
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,359
and within

1143
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,359
less than 12 hours of them arriving at

1144
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:54,480
the ranch

1145
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:58,319
here's comes his pack and attacks them

1146
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,839
that i find kind of strange like

1147
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,920
did something affect those dogs that

1148
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:06,319
made them were the alpacas carrying a

1149
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,440
scent that

1150
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,520
i don't know what it was and why did

1151
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,480
that camera quit working right so there

1152
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,240
there are definitely strange things

1153
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:16,240
surrounding that whole incident we don't

1154
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,440
know

1155
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,680
why we can go a couple years and never

1156
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,480
have so much as a hiccup and then bam we

1157
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,520
bring on alpacas this exotic meat this

1158
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,760
weed joke you know uh these exotic

1159
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:29,359
animals and and look

1160
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,319
uh

1161
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,720
we're all of us on there are animal

1162
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,880
lovers and this was the other thing is

1163
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,040
like we would never intentionally try to

1164
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:39,040
put an animal in harm's way

1165
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,240
uh

1166
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,839
do we have the animals on there for

1167
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,599
biosensors have there been cattle

1168
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,000
mutilations there yes

1169
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,400
are we curious about that absolutely but

1170
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,240
are we out there like intentionally

1171
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,240
trying to put animals in harm's way so

1172
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,160
we can advance science absolutely not

1173
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,480
and we actually had the alpacas closest

1174
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,720
to the command center literally like

1175
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,079
we're talking

1176
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:01,839
less than 50 feet away from the command

1177
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,560
center here's the alpacas for the night

1178
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,880
they get attacked we don't know why the

1179
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:09,680
camera misbehaved and i definitely don't

1180
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,800
understand why those dogs which

1181
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,440
came on and attacked

1182
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,960
why did they choose

1183
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,960
what made him do it right it wasn't a

1184
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,640
characteristic with the other three

1185
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,800
years of baseline that we had

1186
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,000
yeah absolutely that's a long

1187
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:26,000
explanation but i don't want to say

1188
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,599
i have to

1189
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,400
it wasn't fabricated but the way that

1190
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:31,839
things can be

1191
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,720
perceived is

1192
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,440
is amazing through editing right no

1193
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,760
absolutely i'm with you i i really do it

1194
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,119
i appreciate you

1195
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,800
going into that kind of depth of detail

1196
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,200
so so thank you um now i'm just going to

1197
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,720
ask you this question but i'm afraid i'm

1198
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,920
going to have to check on my daughter so

1199
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,680
i will hear the answer through these but

1200
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,200
i'm going to ask you my good friend

1201
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,520
benji asks thomas how has your

1202
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,359
experiences at the ranch changed your

1203
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:58,400
personal outlook on life the world

1204
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,000
and your relationship with others

1205
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,520
that's a great question

1206
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,480
um

1207
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,270
it's completely changed

1208
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:12,790
the world

1209
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:19,359
wake up before the ranch

1210
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,720
and uh i do get asked this quite a bit

1211
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,480
and

1212
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:26,319
whoops

1213
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:36,630
are you still there

1214
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,069
yeah just had to check on my daughter

1215
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,119
sorry she's okay you okay

1216
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,640
something happened as long as you can

1217
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,920
see me my computer just went blank

1218
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,280
you can hear me

1219
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,079
i can hear you fine can you see me

1220
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:51,760
i can't see you yeah

1221
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,280
okay well i can't see you anymore but

1222
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:56,960
i'm staring at you

1223
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,990
as long as your head's good we're good

1224
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,079
i'm i'm staring at a

1225
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,280
at a it's it's it's blurry it's like a

1226
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,200
blank blurry screen but anyways it

1227
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,720
doesn't matter um back to your question

1228
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,319
i've witnessed too many things on the

1229
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:15,920
ranch that i

1230
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:19,040
i can't explain um

1231
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,240
probably the most traumatic thing that

1232
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,040
happened to me was my head injury which

1233
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,880
um you know they talk a little bit about

1234
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,079
on the show

1235
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,680
um

1236
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,040
there is

1237
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,960
there's so much to my head injury that

1238
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,800
took place

1239
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,040
there's the physical aspects there's the

1240
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,800
psychological things that took place

1241
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,480
during that there's been the

1242
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,400
investigation on it that's happened

1243
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:41,839
since

1244
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:44,480
and uh it's hard to say

1245
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,160
which aspect has been most disturbing

1246
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,400
i'd say the physical part which was

1247
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,079
absolutely the most

1248
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,680
horrendous thing i've experienced

1249
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,280
physically in my life

1250
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,440
uh the pain was

1251
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,960
indescribable

1252
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,839
um you know they show on tv they show

1253
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:04,000
the bump on the back of my head well

1254
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,760
yeah yeah that that specific brain scan

1255
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:09,119
that i think

1256
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,800
that's why they chose that one or maybe

1257
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,880
that's the only one i gave them i'm not

1258
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:16,560
quite sure to be honest because they

1259
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,520
they asked for them um

1260
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,599
and i shared some with them but

1261
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,920
that particular scan happens to be after

1262
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,400
i was operated on so

1263
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,880
my head complete i had fluid that came

1264
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,800
in and completely separated the fatty

1265
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,280
tissue for my skull

1266
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,760
and to where like by the end of the the

1267
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,440
second or third day i could grab my hair

1268
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:39,920
and walk my my head around you know it

1269
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,160
wasn't attached so i could grab it and

1270
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,640
move it around it was it was completely

1271
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,960
and and they came in and did an incision

1272
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,960
on the back and so that it could drain

1273
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,839
out

1274
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:51,680
and so everything like the fluid and

1275
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,400
everything pulled back to that spot and

1276
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,800
i get a lot of uh questions on this

1277
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,119
online they're like oh you say that the

1278
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,720
injury happened on the backs the

1279
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,480
injuries was back here on the back of my

1280
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,800
head and yet the cat scan shows it up on

1281
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,240
the top and they're like you know you're

1282
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,839
not even pointing to the same place well

1283
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:09,280
that's because

1284
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,079
uh

1285
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,400
that is actually where they put the

1286
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:14,800
little wick in that and so all that

1287
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,119
fluid and everything was was coming back

1288
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,760
to that spot and that particular

1289
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:22,319
brain scan shows that pulled up right

1290
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,119
there

1291
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:25,920
but it happened all over my head and it

1292
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,960
it was very traumatic um

1293
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,960
you know i i'm not to the point yet that

1294
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,599
i i feel comfortable talking about it

1295
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,240
much in public sure um maybe that'll

1296
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,440
change in the future i don't know uh

1297
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,040
but

1298
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:42,560
that

1299
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,720
almost everything for me so

1300
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,480
um

1301
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,720
i i witnessed and experienced too much

1302
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,520
to be the same person as i was before

1303
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,960
and uh

1304
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,960
and so i've come to the conclusion that

1305
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,560
there's a lot in this world we don't

1306
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,240
understand that's that's how i

1307
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,400
compartmentalize it

1308
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,920
that's a great answer and thank you so

1309
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:08,000
much for sharing that with us it must be

1310
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,359
difficult to

1311
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:11,520
to relive and and go through those those

1312
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,640
kind of things so it is really

1313
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,040
appreciated now that small technical

1314
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,640
issue that we just had right there just

1315
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,319
automatically pinged in my head to

1316
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,480
something like hitchhiker effect or

1317
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,000
something like that

1318
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,280
is that something that you have

1319
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,880
experienced personally where you've gone

1320
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,640
home and you've had strange things

1321
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,920
happen like you've

1322
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,240
you've taken it home with you

1323
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:32,319
that's been the worst part of being

1324
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,119
associated with the ranch is wow um yes

1325
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,040
we've had many many traumatic things

1326
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,400
happen at home

1327
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,359
um unfortunately my wife and kids have

1328
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,880
been affected

1329
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,319
um

1330
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,960
and you know i can handle if stuff

1331
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,880
happens to me that's fine it was my

1332
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,119
personal choice to be involved now did i

1333
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,720
know what i was getting into i i

1334
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,960
absolutely didn't

1335
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,559
there's part of me sometimes that wishes

1336
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:00,160
i would have taken it more serious when

1337
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,200
i went on

1338
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,520
uh but yeah hindsight's 20 20. i don't

1339
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,440
believe in looking back and saying what

1340
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,520
if um

1341
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,000
it is what it is the unfortunate thing

1342
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,000
is is that by the time i realized it was

1343
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:14,480
real it was too late and

1344
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,760
yes

1345
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,040
we've had

1346
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:19,920
more traumatic things happen at my house

1347
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,240
in the privacy of my home then then uh

1348
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,359
unfortunately it it's the part that in

1349
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,359
some ways breaks my heart

1350
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,319
uh i had my son pull me aside

1351
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,880
before we started filming season two

1352
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,880
and uh he pulled me aside and he's like

1353
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,160
dad

1354
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,040
like are you sure it's all worth it

1355
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,119
and uh

1356
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,280
and and i i had to really pause and

1357
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,800
think about that

1358
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,720
and the the the issue with the

1359
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,400
hitchhiker effect is

1360
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,319
if i thought that i could leave that

1361
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,720
ranch and it wouldn't and it would leave

1362
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,480
me alone if i could leave the ranch and

1363
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,880
the ranch would leave me

1364
00:49:11,589 --> 00:48:59,760
i

1365
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,599
been on that ranch

1366
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,240
who took the hitchhiker effect home

1367
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,040
and long after they disassociated with

1368
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,880
the ranch and when i say disassociated

1369
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,480
some of these individuals have gone to

1370
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,040
pretty far extremes

1371
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,920
you know burning clothes and stuff i i

1372
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,200
don't know if they've literally burned

1373
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,720
clothes but i'm just saying they've gone

1374
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,200
to extremes anything associated with the

1375
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:33,040
ranch they have

1376
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,839
they've

1377
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,000
ridded themselves of and and you know

1378
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:37,520
smudged themselves

1379
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:39,920
trying to put distance between them the

1380
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,280
ranch and uh to no avail

1381
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,359
so i look at that and i say well i see a

1382
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,280
lot of examples here of individuals that

1383
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,960
tried to leave the ranch but the ranch

1384
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,720
never left them alone

1385
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,280
and so if i can't be guaranteed that me

1386
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:55,040
exiting the ranch

1387
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:56,400
is going to

1388
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,920
guarantee that my family's going to be

1389
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,040
left alone

1390
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,640
then if we're going to continue to be

1391
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,559
terrorized i might as well be in the

1392
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,880
middle of it and trying to find answers

1393
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,960
and and trying to figure out what it is

1394
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,960
that's affecting us

1395
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,960
i actually think it'd be worse if if i

1396
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,880
leave the ranch and then i my family

1397
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,640
continues to suffer the effects of the

1398
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,599
ranch

1399
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,200
but i have no

1400
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,960
connection you know no communication

1401
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,559
with a scientist i don't have a team

1402
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,559
behind me that i can lean on

1403
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,400
that there sometimes things happen at my

1404
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:26,400
house and they make us feel like we're

1405
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,280
going

1406
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,119
crazy like we're losing touch with

1407
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,280
reality and there are some days the only

1408
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,800
comforting thing is is to be able to

1409
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,119
reach out to team members say hey hey

1410
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,240
dragon hey eric caleb hey travis or

1411
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,480
whoever it is and have them say oh my

1412
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,200
gosh we had the same thing happen here

1413
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,440
we're we're experiencing this and to be

1414
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,119
able to to lean on each other and

1415
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,960
realize we're not going crazy you know

1416
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,720
we're all experiencing the same thing

1417
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,599
it's

1418
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:53,119
we tell people the ranch isn't something

1419
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,559
that can be explained it has to be

1420
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,480
something that's experienced and it's

1421
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,720
kind of a small fraternity of

1422
00:51:02,950 --> 00:50:59,920
people that

1423
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,960
that have been there and so uh

1424
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,720
that's one of the things that keeps me

1425
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:06,720
going back because i'm like

1426
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:07,599
it's

1427
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,400
kind of i tell people when i when i went

1428
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:11,920
on the ranch i didn't realize it's like

1429
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,520
the mob there's only one way out and

1430
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,760
so

1431
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,280
it is what it is

1432
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,040
now i really appreciate you saying that

1433
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,119
and it really resonates with me being a

1434
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,920
father i can only begin to imagine what

1435
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,000
you've been through so again i have to

1436
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,240
thank you for sharing that with with us

1437
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:32,240
it really means a lot so thank you

1438
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,839
um julie bowen asks have you used music

1439
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:37,599
to try and communicate or cause

1440
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,910
well um

1441
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,839
i'll just

1442
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,359
say there's the official science

1443
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,760
investigation uh that the scientists are

1444
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,599
looking at and of course everything you

1445
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,200
know everything happens there goes in

1446
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,599
the database right you can't separate

1447
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,880
we tell people once you come on the

1448
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,440
ranch you are part of it because yeah

1449
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,280
right so there i wa you know i'm not

1450
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,440
trying to separate it out but i will say

1451
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,839
my wife is extremely gifted with music

1452
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:12,079
and frequency um

1453
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:12,960
she

1454
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,920
about it on other podcasts before

1455
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,960
so

1456
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:21,760
we we have a company

1457
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:25,200
surrounding it uh resonance meditations

1458
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:28,400
so music and frequency plays a huge part

1459
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,359
in my life personally uh

1460
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:33,440
with with my wife being gifted like she

1461
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,400
is

1462
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:36,640
um where

1463
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,599
it's amazing what frequency can do

1464
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,280
and and because of our research in

1465
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,680
regards to her company and what's being

1466
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:45,760
done with sound

1467
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,800
in terms of healing in terms of

1468
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,400
you know interacting with the world

1469
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,559
around us everything's frequency albert

1470
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,880
einstein proved that mathematically

1471
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,640
and as such

1472
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,280
uh it it only makes sense that

1473
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,240
music and that can have an effect so

1474
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,400
that being said a kind of long answer to

1475
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,559
question is um

1476
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,920
because of that connection i have

1477
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:09,599
personally that's something that's

1478
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,319
always on my mind and i'll say that it's

1479
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,559
something that's discussed often among

1480
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:16,079
us at the ranch

1481
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:21,990
and i have uh

1482
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,559
yes i'm trying to be careful here i this

1483
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,359
is one of those areas i just need to

1484
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,040
no problem at all with the upcoming

1485
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,119
season you know we'll see yeah

1486
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:33,280
no that's good good thank you i really

1487
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,400
do appreciate that um jay allen asks

1488
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,680
would you mind asking if they have

1489
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,760
installed any new sensor systems

1490
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:40,800
recently

1491
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,599
any new telemetry data

1492
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,839
if we've installed any new stuff

1493
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,680
any new sensor systems then i guess the

1494
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,559
second

1495
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,720
question is is there any new telemetry

1496
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,160
data

1497
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,400
uh so we are always

1498
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,319
um upgrading as a matter of fact as soon

1499
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,200
as we got done filming season three

1500
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:02,000
eric and i uh personally underwent a

1501
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,359
huge

1502
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,160
i'm not going to call it renovation but

1503
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:08,960
every every year we find

1504
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,359
ways that we can improve our systems

1505
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,680
maybe holes that we had

1506
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:16,000
because of data that we get we find oh

1507
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:17,920
we need to be watching this area or we

1508
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:23,829
the challenges with the ranch is it's

1509
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,119
remote first of all

1510
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,839
and we're trying to have minimal impact

1511
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,200
on the lands

1512
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,200
and then and then you add in the fact

1513
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,920
that even though brandon has done very

1514
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:38,640
well and is is a very wealthy individual

1515
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:41,920
we we still operate on a budget right so

1516
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,880
uh

1517
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:45,119
we still have to be frugal with our

1518
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,400
funds

1519
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,200
and so all those things combined lend to

1520
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:51,119
an interesting dynamic in the fact that

1521
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,640
when we want to upgrade our systems

1522
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,040
which we're always doing

1523
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,880
we have to figure out a way to get power

1524
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,280
network out in the middle of nowhere

1525
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,040
to run these things

1526
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:02,960
eric

1527
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:07,440
we tried to set up a wi-fi mesh at one

1528
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,319
point

1529
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,640
early on it was recommend you know we

1530
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,760
thought well maybe that would be a good

1531
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,240
way to do it but unfortunately because

1532
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,240
of the electronic interference that we

1533
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,400
deal with out there we could never keep

1534
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,119
it up uh the the we couldn't keep the

1535
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,359
wi-fi mesh up it we

1536
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,920
it was so unreliable and and it

1537
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,520
to be honest i don't think that we got

1538
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:29,200
anything out of it so we've kind of

1539
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,240
learned

1540
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:32,400
we have to hardwire everything that we

1541
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,440
have

1542
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,480
and so

1543
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,119
uh yes we are always upgrading and as

1544
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,200
soon as we got done filming eric and i

1545
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,680
actually underwent a pretty

1546
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:43,040
extensive

1547
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:44,000
uh

1548
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:48,559
in the middle of upgrading a lot of

1549
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,599
things

1550
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,520
new sensors

1551
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,880
new equipment

1552
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,960
new areas of the ranch

1553
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,520
that we hadn't previously been able to

1554
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,119
get to

1555
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,960
and and that's still in the works even

1556
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,880
today so we're always adding we're

1557
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,760
always improving uh brandon's been very

1558
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,839
supportive you know

1559
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,760
that this is this is an endeavor that's

1560
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,440
not publicly financed

1561
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,760
so when we buy new cameras when we put

1562
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,160
in systems well it that came from

1563
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,640
brandon's hard-earned money that's not

1564
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,960
that's not uh

1565
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,960
that's private money there so we're

1566
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,319
always careful with it but brandon's

1567
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,079
been very very good and very supportive

1568
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,160
and trying to help us make sure that we

1569
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,319
have what we need

1570
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:32,319
excellent excuse me

1571
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,119
um

1572
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,799
a couple more questions before i let you

1573
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,079
go i really like i said i really

1574
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,079
appreciate your time um

1575
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,319
tina mclaren asks is there any one

1576
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:42,880
specific type of activity that makes you

1577
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:46,160
more uncomfortable than the rest

1578
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,839
a specific activity type

1579
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:51,760
or a specific aspect of the phenomena

1580
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,400
that's more worrying than

1581
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:56,079
you know yes

1582
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,280
there is

1583
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,000
um and and i'll be honest i just

1584
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,799
discovered it this last summer

1585
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:04,559
um

1586
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:07,119
i didn't know it existed

1587
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,240
um

1588
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,000
that's all i could say about it and i'll

1589
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,400
just say stay tuned for the upcoming

1590
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:14,000
season to air

1591
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,200
because

1592
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:17,440
i would imagine that

1593
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:18,240
that

1594
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,839
you're going to see what it is and

1595
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,240
it i i'll just say i

1596
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:27,440
i didn't sleep for several nights

1597
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:28,319
uh

1598
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,359
after

1599
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,119
discovering this

1600
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:32,720
wow

1601
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:36,960
leads into my final question is which

1602
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,470
season three was intense

1603
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,230
uh

1604
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,839
and i'll be honest

1605
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:51,680
uh again going back to what i explained

1606
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,200
before we filmed so much uh

1607
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:57,359
i'm going to be just as surprised as the

1608
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:03,349
we're watching these episodes there

1609
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,960
i i

1610
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,480
i don't know what's going to make it

1611
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,720
what one percent are they gonna show i'm

1612
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:11,520
glad i don't have their job because uh

1613
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,559
season three gave us so much material

1614
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,359
that uh you know i'm not i can't say for

1615
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,640
sure what will make it and uh what won't

1616
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:23,040
but um

1617
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,559
it's gonna season three's gonna be

1618
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,000
intense i'm

1619
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:27,760
i i've been excited the other two

1620
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,270
and if you'd asked me a couple years ago

1621
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,960
or if you told me a few years ago i was

1622
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,040
going to be on tv i would have laughed

1623
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,200
in your face you know i'm just

1624
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:42,160
i'm just a small rural boy here in utah

1625
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,960
uh

1626
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,880
never even thought about

1627
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,920
doing

1628
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,000
hollywood tv

1629
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:51,040
any of this this was so far removed

1630
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:51,839
so

1631
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:56,720
gotta see myself on on tv that was kind

1632
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,680
of cool uh but it the excitement for

1633
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,520
season one and two doesn't even begin to

1634
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,680
compare to how excited i am for season

1635
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,240
three uh season three takes a cake by

1636
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,880
far i i cannot wait to see

1637
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,119
what is unveiled because the thing is to

1638
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,280
see after season three airs and we know

1639
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,079
what did and didn't show we're free that

1640
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,680
then we're free to it's kind of like

1641
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,680
talking about those alpacas now right

1642
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,440
like could have never talked about that

1643
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,680
before it aired but now that it's aired

1644
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:26,000
it gives us a lot of liberty to to go

1645
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,520
beyond what

1646
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,440
was or wasn't shown

1647
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,119
excellent and do we have a release date

1648
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,520
for season three or premiere date

1649
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,119
you know to my knowledge i don't think

1650
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:37,920
that they've released one yet um

1651
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:38,799
and

1652
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,440
i i'm not privy to that

1653
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,599
so i'm guessing just like everybody else

1654
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:46,400
but i know like season one and two

1655
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,359
uh

1656
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,359
if i if my memory serves me right i

1657
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,440
think season one started airing like the

1658
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,200
end of march

1659
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,520
uh and then season two

1660
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:58,240
was the beginning of may

1661
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,920
so in my mind uh i'm thinking that

1662
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,920
you know it should drop here within the

1663
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,960
next

1664
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:06,160
couple months

1665
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:07,200
so

1666
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,280
let's hope that's the case well listen

1667
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,200
thomas thank you so much for doing this

1668
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,280
i really really do appreciate it it's

1669
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:18,000
been fascinating um

1670
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,680
i hope you'll come back when season

1671
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,359
three maybe midway through or towards

1672
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,359
the end we'll do this again and you may

1673
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:25,280
be able to you know talk us through some

1674
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,240
of the new findings that happened um i

1675
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,079
know you've got a limited time so i'll

1676
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,480
let you go and then i'll i'll say

1677
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:35,119
goodbye to my chat here but um is there

1678
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,640
anything you want to say before you go i

1679
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:38,240
hope you've had a good time

1680
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:39,040
oh

1681
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:42,960
it's been great i i have to say um

1682
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,599
i did one other podcast with with an

1683
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,880
individual where i think they were in

1684
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,280
scotland and uh

1685
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,119
the thing is i didn't really realize it

1686
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,359
until it until it took place

1687
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,079
and the thought that this show is global

1688
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:57,920
you know is is

1689
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,119
kind of um for me it's inspiring to

1690
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,440
think that this is not just a

1691
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:05,920
show that's regional but that it's

1692
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:09,520
international and so i appreciate you uh

1693
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:12,559
reaching out and making contact

1694
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,680
and uh

1695
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,599
you know i'm always happy

1696
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,359
i'll be happy to come on again sometime

1697
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,960
in the future if you'd like

1698
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:21,359
thank you oh 100

1699
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,640
we wouldn't

1700
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:23,839
look the investigation is going to

1701
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,559
continue whether the whether the tv show

1702
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,640
continues or not that's not going to

1703
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,400
have any effect on our investigation

1704
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,400
we're yeah the investigation moves

1705
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,400
forward it was happening before the show

1706
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:36,319
it'll happen after the show

1707
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,599
um but

1708
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,920
it is a lot of fun to be able to show

1709
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,839
people the highlights of some of the

1710
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,920
things that we're witnessing out there

1711
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:45,200
and

1712
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,880
awareness to the arena

1713
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:50,160
my goal is

1714
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:51,839
or my hope is

1715
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,559
that hopefully by applying science to

1716
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:56,319
this arena

1717
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,359
we can start to bring it mainstream and

1718
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,680
make it so it's less stigmatized bring a

1719
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,160
little more credibility to the area

1720
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:06,240
maybe start divining some parameters

1721
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,440
upon which

1722
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,359
things are based upon and bring some

1723
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:11,520
structure to it right and and because

1724
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:12,480
really it's the only way we're going to

1725
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:15,039
figure it out and when when i first

1726
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,559
i was never in the paranormal space

1727
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,640
before the ranch

1728
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,640
and as i started to come into it i'm

1729
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:22,400
like wow

1730
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:23,200
like

1731
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,880
which you can claim anything

1732
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,400
prove nothing

1733
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,440
and the entire audience follow you it

1734
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,920
just was mind-boggling to me

1735
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:37,440
and uh

1736
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:40,480
and so my hope is like we we really want

1737
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,520
to apply the science into this

1738
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,200
we live in an amazing world there's a

1739
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:46,960
lot happening that we

1740
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:50,000
we're actually a very primitive species

1741
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,760
and it's arrogant for us to think that

1742
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:54,240
we've got it all figured out and so

1743
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:55,680
or or that we're even alone in the

1744
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,640
universe so hopefully we can use our

1745
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,119
primitive scientific methods

1746
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,440
and the hope is is maybe we can make

1747
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,960
some advancements if we can start to

1748
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,640
figure out what's going on at skinwalker

1749
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:08,240
ranch and at some of these other places

1750
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,440
around the world

1751
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,760
then maybe it enables us to advance our

1752
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,280
science

1753
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:15,680
and uh and it and then that and

1754
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,079
obviously helps us better our quality of

1755
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:19,760
life and and

1756
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,280
and so i appreciate our fans uh i get

1757
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,440
really long-winded i'm sorry i really

1758
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,280
appreciate our friends i love it i love

1759
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,079
it um

1760
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,839
without the fans and without the people

1761
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,319
watching the show there's no show and

1762
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,240
and then it just sets back our ability

1763
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,720
to try to again bring awareness

1764
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,400
bring credibility you know these are

1765
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,200
really our goals so i appreciate each

1766
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:45,760
person that tunes in and watches we we

1767
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,599
appreciate you a lot and anything we can

1768
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:49,359
do to engage our fans i'll tell you

1769
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,319
brandon brandon is very

1770
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:54,480
interactive on social media yeah you

1771
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:57,839
jump on twitter uh he's constantly uh

1772
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,029
facebook and instagram i social media

1773
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,880
has been something i've had to learn

1774
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,039
it's an acquired pace for me i'm getting

1775
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:11,200
better at it but i

1776
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:13,760
i tend to go hot and cold on it but uh

1777
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:14,720
sure

1778
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,559
any interaction we can have with people

1779
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,720
in the space we're happy to have so we

1780
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,039
appreciate we appreciate all of you

1781
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,440
fantastic i'll say thank you once again

1782
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,720
and thank you to everybody that's

1783
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,480
watched this live and commented and

1784
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,160
asked questions and thank you to

1785
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:29,520
everybody watching after the fact

1786
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,520
whether it be on youtube or listening

1787
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,680
through the anomalous podcast network i

1788
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,440
really appreciate you all and finally

1789
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:37,599
before we go i'd just like to reiterate

1790
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,960
that the trailer for our upcoming

1791
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,559
documentary series

1792
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:42,640
phenomenology um

1793
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,799
is going to be released tomorrow the the

1794
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,400
trailer you can find the link in the

1795
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,640
description below here on youtube for

1796
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,640
now guys thank you so much i will see

1797
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,079
you in a few days time for another

1798
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,319
interview but thank you to thomas and

1799
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,319
and everyone i really appreciate all the

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01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:58,240
support and hope you have a good rest of